William 1799 - aft 1870
Originally, I thought William must be the younger male living with Thomas in 1840, but then I found this fellow, and I do think he is a more likely candidate.
1830 New York, Oneida, New Hartford 57
William Bates - 3m 20-30 (William and who?)
1f 20-30 (wife Eliza?)
This could be William, if he came over earlier - which might explain why he was less a part of the family reunion - he had had different experiences. The Bates family reunion notes do not support this supposition, but they are not totally accurate.
1840 New York, Oneida, Westmoreland p. 109
William Bates 3000001 (40/50) 000001 (30/40)
1850 New York, Oneida Verona p. 172 - 7 Sept
William Bates 51 m farmer Ireland
Eliza 45 f Ireland
Benjamin 14 NY / George 12 / James W 6 / CA 5 female / Thomas 2
1860 New York, Oneida, Verona p. 715 (73) - 14 July - line 22, 612-600
William Bates 60 m day laborer Ireland pauper
Elisa 51 f / Thomas 10 NY
1870 New York, Oneida, Westmoreland (Clinton) - p. 578 (42) - 24 Aug - l. 37
Bates, William 72 farmer 800 Ireland
Eliza 63 Ireland / Thomas 22 boatman NY
Phillips, Lydia 19 teacher NY
Buckingham, Albert 30 farmer Ny / Laura 28 NY
This is interesting, considering the Buckingham connection in Whiteside County.
1880 William - not found
????son Thomas
1880 NY Oneida Westmoreland SD8 ED157 p 10 a
105-104 Barnes, James 91 cooper Ct Ct Ct / Mary E wife 68 Ny Ny Ny
Bates, Thomas 33 son-in-law farm Ny Ire Ire
Eliza 35 dau tailoress Ny
This might not be him, but note that Lucina is a servant to the Elias Barnes family from 1900-1920 at least
I don’t know when William died or where he is buried - he doesn’t seem to be in the Lowell Cemetery, where all the rest of the Bateses are.
It’s a little odd that William is not more present in the Bates Reunion notes, since he lived nearby (if this is in fact our William) all his life. But I can’t explain it.
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Benjamin ~1807 - aft 1846
1807 December (probably) - born
occupation before enlisting - baker
1825 September 11/13 - enlisted in British Army - 57th Regiment of Foot
served in New South Wales - almost 3 years
in East Indies - more than 14 years
discharged at Madras, India in 1846
He wished to stay in India because he had married a native woman
He may have gone to Ceylon to live
Information obtained from the Public Records Office in Kew, England (by Wayne Nordstrom):
"Benjamin enlisted in the English army in 1825 where he was quartermaster sergeant in the 57th infantry (regiment F57; WO97/696). After serving his time, he was honourably discharged in 1846 at the age of 38. [Source: Public Records Office at Kew near London. Address is: Ruskin Avenue, Kew, Surrey, TW9 4DU]. Source file: W.O. 97/696 (file number might be W.O.
97/695).
His military medical report, dated 20 April 1846, stated, "Quartermaster Sergeant Benjamin Bates, aged 38 years 5 months. Total service 20 years 4 months. Nature of disability: Physical Decay. First apparent in 1844. Then stationed at Fort Saint George. _______. Attributable to length of service in a tropical climate. Not aggravated by vice or misconduct. Disability not within the power of medicine. Disqualified by general decay and impaired powers for military duty. Was a laborer before he entered the army."
Benjamin's name is listed in a "Nominal return of Invalids of the 57th Regiment who wish to remain in India and who have not completed 21 years of service", effective December 1845. His number on this list is 525. On this list, he is shown as "Quartermaster Sergeant, Benjamin Bates, total service to December 31st, 1845: 20 years 113 days. Cause of wishing to remain in India: married to an Indo-Briton and having a large family. [they might have had 5 children but this is unsubstantiated].
His discharge papers state, "The Board having examined and compared the Regimental Records, the Soldier's Book, and other such documents as appeared to them to be necessary, report that Benjamin Bates by trade a Baker was born in the Parish of Arcklow in or near the town of Arcklow in the County of Wicklow and was attested for the 57th Regiment of Foot at Dublin in the County of Dublin on the 13th September 1825 at the age of 18 that after making every deduction required by her majesty's regulations, the service up to 31 December 1845, which he is entitled to reckon, amounts to 20 years and 113 days, as shewn by the detailed statement on the second page; during which period he served abroad 17 years and 5 months; in New South Wales about 2 years and 10 months; in the East Indies 14 years and 4 months; and further, that his discharge is proposed in consequence of physical decay attributable to length of service in a tropical climate and not to vice or intemperance. With regard to the character and conduct of
Benjamin Bates, the Board have to report, that upon reference to the Defaulter's Book, and by the parole testimony that has been given, it appears that his character is unexceptionable, seldom in the hospital, and very sober. He was reduced from Corporal in 1827 for neglect of duty in
reporting his men all present when three were absent.
His discharge papers also stated that all pay allowances and clothing accounts were balanced.
His discharge papers listed his detailed Statement of Services for No. 525 Benjamin Bates as follows (for the 57th Foot Regiment):
- Rank: Private (11 Sept 1825 to 24 Mar 1826; 196 days service)
- Promoted Corporal (25 Mar 1826 to 25 Jun 1827; 1 year 93 days service)
- Reduced to Private (26 Jun 1827 to 31 Dec 1828; 1 year 189 days service)
- Total service to be reckoned to 31 Dec 1828: 3 years 113 days
- Rank: Private (1 Jan 1829 to 24 Apr 1830; 1 year 114 days service)
- Promoted Corporal (25 Apr 1830 to 31 Jul 1831; 1 year 98 days service)
- Promoted Sergeant (1 Aug 1831 to 14 Dec 1832; 1 year 136 days service)
- Promoted Color Sergeant (15 Dec 1832 to 17 Nov 1835; 2 years 338 days service)
- ___________ Sergeant (18 Nov 1835 to 7 Oct 1839; 3 years 324 days service)
- Promoted Quarter Master Sergeant (8 Oct 1839 to 31 Dec 1845; 6 years 85 days service)
Total of the foregoing statement: 20 years 113 days.
Further service from 1 January to the 20 April 1846 when finally discharged: 110 days.
Total service allowed to reckon to the day of final discharge: 20 years 231 days.
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NOTE: Benjamin enlisted on 11 Sept 1825 but was attested for the Regiment on 13 Sept 1825.
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Final Description of Benjamin Bates of the 57th Regiment of Foot when discharged:
- Age: 38 years 3 months
- Height: 5 foot 10 inches
- Hair: dark brown
- Eyes: hazel
- Complexion: sallow
- Trade: baker
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Benjamin's Attestion for Regiments document states, "I, Benjamin Beates, do make oath that I am or have been a Baker, and to the best of my knowledge and belief was born in the Parish of Arklow in the County of Wicklow, and that I am of the age of 18 years; that I do not belong to the militia, or to any other regiment, or to His Majesty's Navy or Marines, and that I will serve His Majesty, His heirs and successors, until I shall be legally discharged. [signatures follow, Benjamin appears to have signed his last name as "Beates" but on his discharge papers is clearly spelled as "Bates"]. I _______, one of His Majesty's Justices of the Peace, of City of Dublin, do hereby certify that Benjamin Beates appearing to be 18 years old, 5 feet 6 3/4 inches high, fair complexion, grey eyes, brown hair, came before me at Dublin, 13th day of September, 1825, and stated himself to be of the age of 18 years, and that he had no rupture, and was not troubled
with fits, and was no ways disabled by lameness, deafness or otherwise, but had the perfect use of his limbs and hearing, and was not an apprentice; and acknowledged that he had voluntarily inlisted himself, for the bounty of 4 pounds British, to serve His Majesty, King George IV, His heirs and successors, in the 57th Regiment of Foot, commanded by General _______ until he should be legally discharged. And I do hereby certify that in my presence, the Third and Fourth Articles of the Second Section, and the First Article of the Sixth Section, of the Articles of War against mutiny and desertion were read over to him, and that he took the oath of Fidelity mentioned in the said articles of war, and also the Oath to the effect above set forth; and that he received the sum of 10 shillings British on being attested; and that I have given to the said a duplicate of this certificate signed with my name [signature].
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Another certificate of discharge states, "I certify that Quartermaster Sergeant, Benjamin Bates, of Her Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot, came before me at Madras on the 13th day of January 1846 and made oath that he has served their Majesties during the period mentioned in his discharge.
Dated at Madras [India] this 13th day of January 1846." [signatures]
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He might have travelled to the island of Ceylon [this is not known for certain].
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Apparently someone in the states tried to find out what had happened to him - there was this letter fragment among the documents preserved by the Bratney family:
letter frag Re Ben Bates
PS War Office 13th April 1848
I am directed to acquaint you that he was placed on the out pension list of Chelsea hospital on the 23rd June 1846 and that (it) appears by the latest returns received at this office he was paid his pension at Madras for the – Quarter to the 31st March 1847
Mother could not tell whether you got this account or not for well (farewell?)
Thomas Patton? brought this account from England
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And his mother made another attempt to find him in 1853:
Copy of letter sent to Mrs. Sarah Bates in regard to a son Benjamin who was a British soldier and was abroad at time rest of family came to America.
Fralic Barriks, Apr. 3, 18
In reply to your communication bearing date New London, Can., 22 Feb 1853, I have to inform you that Benjamin Bates obtained his discharge from the 57th regiment in Madras East India in the year 1846 having by good conduct raised himself to the rank of Quarter Master Sergeant, and was discharged on 2s/2d per and in consequence of being married to a country-born woman preferred to remain abroad. I have been creditably informed through letters received from Indian that he left Madras and having saved £300 proceeded to the Island of Ceylon where he purchased a coffee plantation and shortly after died leaving wife and 5 children to lament his loss. Am unable to give further information relative to said Benjamin Bates.
Respectfully
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There are some Bateses in later Canadian censuses who were born in Ceylon.
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Thomas ~1807 - 1840
All we have for Thomas is the 1840 census listing and a cemetery listing.
1840 New York, Oneida Westmoreland 104
Thomas Bates 000102 0000110001
1m 15-20 (William?), 1f 20-30 (Sarah), 2m (Thomas 33, George 32), 1f (Ann?)30-40
1f 70-80 (Sarah Needham Bates); 2 agriculture, 1 manufacture
Lowell Cemetery -
Bates, Thomas, erected by his wife, Elizabeth, died Dec. 27, 1840 age 33 yrs
Elizabeth is also in that cemetery, but with no dates.
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Ann 1800-10? - 1848
We assume Ann is the female aged 30-40 with Thomas in the 1840 census.
She is mentioned in the Bates Reunion notes as having gone west with George, and having stayed there.
According to the notes by Jennie Bothwell Bratney (Ann's niece), Ann married a Mr. Green, lived in Chicago and was a milliner.
We (not us but the Bratneys) have a few fragments of Sarah Bates’s journal, one of which mentions the death dates of Thomas and Ann:
Sarah Bates Journal 2
Benjamin enlisted September the 10 1825 In the 18 year of his life. We came to America the year 1832 landed 23 of May . Set sail the first of April
Anne - died October the 10 1848? Thomas - died - December 23 (1840)
Brother Kearney thinks the journey was a curious thing for women of that time to do, and wondered if they might not have been going to visit relatives. He has focused on a group of Bateses living in La Salle County in Illinois:
I checked the census for Bates in La Salle Co. in 1840 and found one family, headed by Harvy with the eldest male listed as between 20 and 30. Checked 1850 and found five Bates familes, the heads of four of which all were born in New York: one headed by Oliver A. Bates, age 30, two headed by men named James H. Bates, one 42 and the other age 35; and one headed by Bradley Bates, 25 (Bradley's wife was Canadian born but was only 18 in 1850). The fifth family was headed by Barbara Bates, 36, and I think she was from Pennsylvania but I can't be sure from the handwriting. However, all five of her children, ranging in age from 2 to 14, were born in the same state as Barbara, so she's probably eliminated.
There were two reasons Kearney was interested in La Salle County. First of all, he found a marriage for an Ann Bates there in 1839, and second, La Salle is the county where the other group of Irish Bothwells from Canada appeared.
You would think that 1839 was too early for Ann to be getting married, since she’s with the rest of the family on the 1840 census - BUT. What if the woman we think is Ann were actually Thomas’s wife Elizabeth? And what if it was George and Sarah going out to Illinois to visit ANN who was already there?????
On the other hand, Ann Bates of La Salle County married Asher Lane, and our Ann married Mr. Green. Since our Ann died in 1848, the 1850 census is not going to help us one bit.
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George ~1808 - 1883
1808 - born, Ireland
1832 - emigrated to America with mother, 2 sisters, 2 brothers
1840 - probably with brother Thomas and family in Oneida County, New York
184x - went west with sisters; sisters stayed in Illinois, George returned to New York (to care for aged mother???)
1849 - married Sophronia Babcock
1850 May 18 - son John born (married Hattie Pettis 13 Mar 1878 - d 1927)
1850 census - New York, Oneida, Westmoreland 104 (302/336)
George Bates 40 m mason 800 Ireland /Sophrona Bates 35 f NY
Parker Sherman 13 m NY
Sarah Bates 81 f Ireland / Patrick Bates 1/12 m NY
1850 Aug 8 - wife Sophronia died - buried Lowell Cemetery
Bates, Sophronia Babcock, wife of George Bates, died Aug. 8, 1850 age 36 yrs
1851 Oct 21 - married Almira Loomis
The Loomis family was notorious in Oneida County - but I am not sure if and how Almira is related.
children: Maria A. b. 6 Oct 1852 - married Adam Dorn - May 29, 1883 - d 1896
Franklin G b. ~1854 married Rena Croshaw Dec 28, 1875 - d 1888
Lucina M. b. ~1855 - unmarried - d 1932
Benjamin J. b. ~1857 married Grace Campbell Feb 6, 1878 - d 1926.
Adeline E. b. ~1859 married Virgil Casterton Dec 16, 1880 - d 1943
William H. b. ~1863married Lillian Ward April 15, 1885
Edward C. b. ~1866 unmarried - died 1926/7 61 years of age.
1860 New York, Oneida, Westmoreland - 10 August - 241-253
George Bates 50 m farmer $1850 $289 Ireland
Almira N 38 / John 10 / Mary A 7 / Franklin G 6 / Lucina M 4 / Benjamin J 2 / Adaline M 1 - all NY
Oneida County Directory 1869
Westmoreland
George (Lowell PO) lot 1, farmer 34
1870 New York, Oneida Westmoreland 573B-574 - 19 Aug 1870 - 247-260
Bates George 60 m w farmer & mason b. Ireland ps. foreign
Almira 48 f w NY
Mary 17 / Franklin 16 / Loucina 14 / Benjamin 13 / Adeline 11
William 9 / Edward 4 - all b. NY
1880 New York, Oneida, Westmoreland (index list)
George Bates mw 73 head Ire Ire Ire farmer
Almira wife 68 Ny Ny Ct
Mary 27 Ny Ire Ny
William 19
Edward 14
1883 Feb 4 - died - buried Lowell Cemetery
Bates George died Feb. 24, 1883 age 75 yrs
1888 - wife Almira died - buried Lowell Cemetery
Bates, Almira H., wife of George Bates, 1822-1888
(Oddly enough, there is another George Bates in Lowell Cemetery - 1816-1903 - I have absolutely NO idea who he could be. A cousin maybe?)
[22 April 2011 - I did a census search, and found two fellows of approximately the correct age, but neither in the right location. One George Bates was in Wyoming County in 1850, and from 1860-1900 was in Steuben. The other George was in Madison County, which is closer, and there are other possible relatives there, but only for 1850 and 1860. I have put their census info on the “Random Bateses” page.]
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Sarah ~1818 - 1888 - our next ancestor - She has her own page, but in brief:
~1818 - born - Ireland - Wexford / Wicklow area
1832 - emigrated to America with family
183x - moved down to New York with family
1840 census - probably with brother Thomas and rest of family, Oneida County, New York
184x - went west with brother George and sister Ann
1845 June 30 - married Jeremiah Bothwell, Ontario, Canada
1847 February 26 - son Benjamin born (named after older brother?)
1848 July 24 - daughter Sarah Ann born
1850 census - with husband and children in Whiteside County, Illinois
1851 - son Jeremiah born
1855 - twins James Augustus and Jane Augusta born
1856 - son David born
1860 census - with husband and children in Whiteside County, Illinois
1866 April 13 - daughter Sarah Ann died
1870 census - with husband and children in Whiteside County, Illinois
1871 - sons Benjamin and Jeremiah head west
1871 Sept 13 - son Benjamin married Sarah Brown
1871 Oct 3 - son Jeremiah married Mamie Fralick
1872 June 27 - divorced Jeremiah
1872 - moved to Nebraska with sons and daughter
1873 March 29 - husband Jeremiah married Emily Buckingham
1875 Nov 28 - daughter Jennie married William A Bratney
1879 Aug 2 - son David married Stella McManus
1880 census - with son James in Fillmore County, Nebraska
1886 June 3 - son James married Sarah Tucker
1888 June 18 - died - (at daughter Jennie’s house) - Hastings, Adams, Nebraska
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