~1765-1834
Virginia? - Kentucky
If I knew very little about Charlotte Hull, I know even less about her father.
It is said that one group of Hulls came from Germany in the 1700s, and that their name was originally Hohl - one set of descendants goes by Holl to this day. These Hohls settled first in Pennsylvania, and the next generation moved on to Virginia. Does this sound familiar? It seems to have been a common pattern.
Our John Hull was, according to his daughter's reply to the 1880 census taker, born in Virginia, but I have not managed to connect him with a known family there. He was born sometime before 1775, possibly as early as 1750 (the census figures are always slightly different). By 1803, he was in Kentucky.
But maybe none of that is true. Each of the five children I have found in 1880 gives a different place of birth for his/her father. Our ancestor Charlotte says he was born in Virginia, another child says he was born in Pennsylvania, one says Canada, one England, and one leaves it blank. And as far as being in Kentucky from 1803 on, well. His son Emanuel, born 1802, says he was born in Kentucky, but Moses, born ~1805, says he was born in Virginia - the rest all say Kentucky. It's true that boundaries shifted a lot in those days, but if he was in Fleming County - and especially if he lived near the Licking River - then he was not in the area which was contested between Pennsylvania and Virginia (as far as I can tell). Kentucky was originally one of the counties of Virginia, so that could be the cause of some of the confusion. But the cause is not the cure, so we are left with a muddle.
There are no censuses for Virginia for 1790 or 1800, so I have not been able to locate him there.
In 1803, the other John Hull married Rebecca Bennett in Mason County, Kentucky. Actually, there is a
record of this marriage in BOTH Mason and Fleming counties (Fleming was formed from
Mason in 1798):
Feb. 24, 1803 in Mason Co. KY
Mar. 3, 1803 in Fleming Co. KY
Possibly one is the license, and the other the marriage.
from Phyllis Hughes: The John Hull who married Rebecca Bennett is now identified as the John Hull who lived in Mason County, Kentucky. He is HFAm #1830, of the Rev. Joseph Hull, immigrant, line. This John Hull had land dealings with the Bennett family. He left Kentucky ca. 1815, while the John Hull of the above article lived in Greenup County, remained and died in Kentucky ca. 1834. We hope to also publish at some future date an article on the HFAm John Hull, as there are serious problems in his lineage, as compiled in the 1913 genealogy The Hull Family in America, 1913.
Our John Hull did marry a Rebecca, however (just to make things nice and confusing). Her last name is unknown.
Our John and Rebecca had at least 9 children:
Naoma b. 1803-8 (m. Jeremiah Lynch - 28 Oct 1823- Greenup)
Emanuel b. 1804-9 (m. Sarah Chaney - 14 Jan 1824 - Greenup) - b. 1800 Va
Charlotte A b.1804-10 (m. Andrew Lusk - 14 Aug 1830 - Greenup) - b. 1804-10
Ky
Moses b~1805 Va?? (m. Rachel Kiser - 21 Jan 1833 - Greenup) - b. 1805 Va
Eliza Jane b. ~1812 (John W. James - 17 Apr 1829 - Greenup )
George P. b~1817 (m. Polly Stephenson - 13 Feb 1840 - Warrick)
John H. b. 1818 May 3 or 5 (m Mary Agnes Phillips - 2 April 1840 - Warrick)
Samuel Asa b~1825 (m Minerva Caroline Aust)
Rebecca b. ~1826 (m Thomas Jefferson Rice - 24 March 1842 - Warrick)
There are a couple of deeds from Fleming county (1809 - 1816) which involve him - maybe - if it is him.
Fleming County Deed Books
Book D - 1809-1811 - p. 371
John Fowler and Millisent his wife of Lexington Ky AND John Hull TR sale of 138½ acres Fleming Co land on Licking for $90
Book E - 1812-1813 - p. 5
John Fowler....AND Oliver Sanders...122 ¾ acres....bounded by lands of ...John Hull
Book F - 1814-16 - p. 109
John Gilkerson and Charlotte his wife of Fleming Co AND John Hull of Fleming Co TR sale of 51 acres of Fleming Co land on Licking for $30
There is a John Hull in Fleming County in the 1810 census:
1810 Kentucky Fleming p. 95 (20/87/900) - John Hull 22010 30010
male b. 1800-1810 Moses b. ~1805
male " Emmanuel b. 1804-9
female " Charlotte b ~1804
female " Naoma b. ~1803-8
female " X
male b. 1794-1800 Y
male " Z
male b. 1765-84 John
female " Rebecca
And there is a Moses Hull in the same general area (on the same census page) I am
thinking of possible brothers here.
Moses Hull or Hall 10010 20100
Unfortunately, there is also a John Hull in Mason County in 1810 - and look how nicely the
children fit:
1810 Kentucky Mason p. 261
Hull John: 2- - 1 - //2 - 1 = 2m, 2f <10; 1f 16-26; 1m 26-45
m b. 1800-1810 Emmanuel
m b. 1800-1810 Moses
f b. 1800-1810 Naoma
f b. 1800-1810 Charlotte
f b. 1784-94 Rebecca
m b. 1765-84 John
And there is a Samuel Hull on that same page.
Hull Samuel - - - 1 - // - 1 - - -
But Phyllis says this is the other John Hull.
There is also a John Hull in Augusta County, Virginia in 1810
1810 Virginia Augusta 366 John Hull 20100 10100
2m, 1f under 10
1m, 1f 16-26 (b. 1784-94)
And there is a John Hall in Washington County, Pennsylvania
1810 Pennsylvania Washington Mt Pleasant 35 John Hull 20010 1101
2m, 1f under 10
1f 10-16
1m, 1f 26-45 (b. 1775-1784)
There are plenty more John Hulls around, but I chose those counties because they are the
ones most people (at least most of our people) went through on their way west.
In 1820, there was a John Hull in Greenup County, Kentucky
1820 Kentucky Greenup
Hull, John 201201 - 12301 = 2m, 1 f <10; 2 f 10-15; 1 m, 3 f 16-25; 1m, 1f 45+
m b. 1810-20 John H 1818
m b. 1810-20 George P ~ 1817
f b. 1810-20 Eliza Jane 1812
f b. 1804-10 Naoma
f b. 1804-10 Charlotte
m b. 1802-04
m b. 1794-1804 Moses
m b. 1794-1804 Emmanuel
f b. 1794-1804 female X
f b. 1794-1804
f b. 1794-1804
f b. bef 1775 Rebecca b. 1765-1775 actually b. ~1787
m b. bef 1775 John b. 1765-1775
There are too many people here - and the extras don't match up with the unknowns
from 1810!
In 1830, he is in Greenup County, which was formed in 1803 from Mason County. I am
pretty sure this time that it is our John Hull, because he is living right next door to Samuel
Lusk.
1830 Greenup County 085 John Hull 012000001 0101001
m b. 1820-25 Samuel 1825
f b. 1820-25 Rebecca 1824?
m b. 1815-20 John H 1818
m b. 1815-20 George P ~1817
f b. 1810-15 Charlotte?
f b. 1780-90 Rebecca
m b. 1750-60 John
Of the children, Naoma had been married in 1823 to Jeremiah Lynch - 18 Oct 1823 - Greenup County, Emmanuel in 1824 to Sarah Chaney - 14 Jan 1824 - Greenup County, Eliza Jane in 1829 to John W James - Greenup County. Charlotte was married in 1830, to Andrew Lusk, but she may have been still with her father for this census. This time, instead of too many people in the census, there are too few - George P is missing, as well as Moses. It is possible that Moses (and maybe Emanuel) was in Vanderburgh County in 1830. Moses is by himself, but Emanuel has many many people with him, possibly one of them a brother.
John died in (probably) late 1834.
Hull, John - inventory filed Will Book 3, p. 1- 20 Nov 1834 - filed 5 Jan 1835 - Adm'r Thompson Ward. signed by Comm. Samuel Rous, Christian Spangler, and Jas. Rous; value $388.37¼ included 1 set blacksmith tools, 11 geese, 12 head sheep, 1 bedstead & furniture, 1 trundle bedstead, 1 side saddle, 8 chairs and 6 books.
Sale bill 1 Jan 1835, filed 5 Jan 1835. Purchasers: Rebecca Hull, Benjamin Bablington, Christian Spangler, James Rous, Samuel F. Williams, Moses Hull, John McIntyre, Job Davis, Noah Bryson, Jeremiah Cunnor (sic), Nat Davis, John Miller jr, James Gilkerson, Ewell Riggs, Andrew Susk (sic).
Phillips, Patricia Porter. Greenup County, Kentucky will abstracts, 1822-1860. Bowie, Md. : Heritage Books, 1998. p. 109-10
It would seem that he had been a blacksmith.
From Phyllis Hughes:
On March 01, 1838, Rebecca Hull signed a deed which mentioned three of the heirs of John Hull, deceased. These were: (1) John M. James and Eliza Jane, his wife, formerly Eliza Jane Hull; (2) Andrew Lusk and Charlotte, his wife, formerly Charlotte Hull; and (3) Moses Hull.
Rebecca Hull deeded land on the waters of Woods Creek in Greenup County, Kentucky to John M. Triplett for $150. On the 11th day of December 1838, George P. Hull of Indiana, for the sum of $110, deeded land, also on the waters of Woods Creek in Greenup County, Kentucky, to John M. Triplett, which land George P. Hull had inherited from his father John Hull, now deceased. The deed mentioned that George P. Hull's land was 1/10 of a tract of land owned by his father, indicating that there had been nine children, plus the widow Rebecca, who had inherited the land of John Hull.
That is all the information (?) I have about John Hull. By 1840, two of his sons had moved
north, to Warrick County, Indiana, and his wife was there when she died in 1842.
Garrison Cemetery, Skelton Twp - Hull, Rebecca d. 11 Oct 1842 - 55y (=1787)
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